So after my somewhat controversial post yesterday, a couple of my friends started debating the issue over on my facebook account… seeing as the discussion related to my blog I have copied it into this post for the rest of you to enjoy!
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The New Zealand Conservative Right Wing – Making it legal to smack your parents since 2009!
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Haha funny blog… but don’t you mean vote no?
You’re against the referendum and the law change so I think you mean vote no. Because a yes is what the referendum people want right?
I too think it’s a stupid referendum made by people with too much time and paranoia on their hands.
Haha that’s just how confusing this question really is – I mean vote ‘yes’ … if you are against them changing the law (again) the vote is yes… if you want to keep it illegal to hit kids for any reason, vote yes.
Haha… yeah it’s such a terribly worded, vague yet loaded question. It almost shows how desperate they are to make an issue out of nothing.
I think it’s a stupid law… There was always a difference between smacking and flat out beating a kid, but with the law, there’s no difference.
Not really. The new law is an improvement to the old one which said that “reasonable force” was allowed. Sounds reasonable but the only problem is that reasonable force is hard to define, especially in a courtroom. As far as I understand, previously under the old law, anyone prosecuted for child abuse could claim that they used reasonable force and… Read More it would be up to the prosecutor to prove that this was not the case which could potentially make it possible for bad parents to get off. However with the new law, not only does it send out the message that the physical discipline of children is not OK (We’re not talking about trivial use force, rather the use of force with the intent to instill fear and pain). It also makes it easier to punish bad parents and protect the children of bad parents.
Furthermore… Considering that New Zealand has one of the worst rates of (known) child abuse in the modern world and considering that this law has been successfully implented in countries like Sweden (which has one of the highest standards of living in the world). And considering the UN explicitly recommends that all countries work towards passing… Read More such laws. This is a good thing.
I’ll just like to finish off by saying that parents that use trivial or superficial force will not be punished. Think of the new law as an extension of the assault laws. If I get into an argument with you lets say I give you a light shove.. technically you can charge me with assault under the law. But there is no way that I will be punished for it. It’s the same with the law regarding children.
lol… that’s just my understanding of it haha 😛
Nah, I still think it’s a stupid law. It’s bassically making a law so that instead of trying to punish the people who beat their kids, they punish the people who just want to discipline their kids. Smacking may be seen as some big taboo to people on the left wing, but really, you can’t wave out some big cane and tell people how to raise their kids.
You may think it’s wrong, but that’s just your view. I don’t think my parents were wrong for smacking me, and so do a lot of other people, which is why there’s a referendum, because people dissagree.
Call them conservatives, or whatever, I think the law’s stupid…. Read More
I know people dissagree with this, but honestly, just because you don’t think it’s right for parents to physically discipline their kids, doesn’t mean that you the right to tell a parent how to raise their kids.
(Yeah! Argument on Humphrey’s page! Woo! Nah… LOL. It’s just how I feel. I don’t exactly think I’ll resort to physical discipline so much. I just think that it’s a parents right. I was smacked as a kid, and I think I came out alright, kinda. LOL
Plus, I like taking the opposite sides of arguments. HAHAHA)
You got it all wrong bro. It is unlikely that decent parents can be punished. Go back and read my analogy to the assault laws currently in place.
And I think many families in New Zealand hit their children as discipline (including my own) but that doesn’t make them bad parents… they just didn’t know any better. This law will help to ensure that New Zealanders know better.
Furthermore I don’t think you can argue that smacking is ever right when most experts, child psychologists concurr that child smacking is potentially damaging to a child’s upbringing…. Read More
Even Super Nanny says that hitting kids is a terrible thing to do! And Super Nanny is queen! 😛
Just to clarify… I don’t get hit anymore haha 😛
But as a child growing up I was disciplined that way
They don’t know better? Who are you to say that though? I think my parents knew well enough what they were doing, and I dissagree that you can say that my parents which just stuck in a time. I think parents who smack their children know better and know the difference.
Are you emotionally scarred about what your parents did to you? I’m sure you … Read Morecame out fine. Right now, this law is making parents who have or are disciplining their children in this way feel like the bad guy, and they shouldn’t, because they aren’t. If the government think this is a way to stop child abuse, it’s just plain stupid. I’m not going to be formal in the way I’m describing the law. I’m not going to call it ridiculous. I’m not going to call it highly dissagreeable, which it is all the above. I’m going to just call it stupid.
The government regulates that we can’t hit adults or animals in any way, so why should it not also say that we can’t hit kids, or are kids somehow lesser than dogs? That doesn’t make much sense to me… Anyway I think I’ll copy this to my blog if you guys don’t mind haha it’s great
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